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I noticed Cincinnati Itnl was too quiet early this morning.
I’ve heard that now about so many airports. Maybe it picked up at night, but around 8PM Philly was dead too.
I agree! I was at JFK Airport from 3 PM to 6:30 PM today (the day before Thanksgiving) and it was eerily quiet.
Great job everyone! Let us not forget that this fight will continue. We the people would also do well to not forget the further attempts on our Constitution and Bill of Rights when this fight is over. We shall continue to push back against statism and governmental threats.
Need to get load-factors for the airlines today, as well as how many “non-refundable” advance-purchased tickets were refunded due to the Gropefest and Nude-O-Scopes.
Also, getting some numbers from Amtrak, Greyhound, and especially the internet-booking bus companies in the Northeast and Midwest (MegaBus, BoltBus) would be great.
Finally, I’m reading about a massive traffic jam on I-10 all the way between Southern California and Phoenix. Also heard about Delaware waiving tolls on I-95. Are there other examples like this?
There were three of us demonstrating tonight at the Sacramento International Airport. We got a lot of media coverage and talked to quite a few people. I interviewed several people including a sheriff, an airport media rep, and several passengers. The strong impression I got was that the TSA backed off because of the negative publicity.
All day the media was saying the effort “fizzled,” a word that they had all gotten from wire copy. They were trying to influence the news rather than report it in my opinion.
Today was a success. Congratulations to everyone involved!
Word. This shit ain’t over.
lets keep this going and spreading making sure to point out any dis-info that people may have been indoctrinated with and educate whenever we can.
we need to bring light on this theater of security as much as possible.
oh and bring light on the bill s510 the food safety act with will make it imposable for small farms to operate and you cant grow vegetables either
This is good news. The fewer people who put up with this the better. Great job.
I ran some numbers using the government’s reported statistics which show that 2 people per year would receive fatal cancer from the machines if everyone went through them (assuming backscatter x-ray). If one uses alternative estimates, it could be as high as 20 people per year. But, this is just the fatal cancer cases.
The incremental risk is 1 in 80 million per maximum dose. The machines claim to be at 1/5 of the maximum. So the risk of fatal cancer is 1 in 400 million per screening.
There are about 700 million passenger trips per year.
So every 400 millionth screening (once every six months), someone dies. In one year, this is about two people. Perhaps some would say this is a small number of deaths in comparison to deaths on airline crashes. But one report says the risk may be 5-10 times greater than is being reported. That would be about 20 people dying of cancer per year.
Furthermore, a report by the Health Physics Society, recommends that:
“Subjects should be informed of the radiation exposure.”
The obvious questions are:
1. Are the government discussed numbers correct? Or is the risk many times higher? Is the risk perfectly linear or will those flying more often be exponentially more susceptible?
2. How many people would receive less than fatal cancer? Could there be hundreds or thousands of more cases of cancer that do not result in death?
3. Would it be acceptable to randomly mark someone for death at the airports every 6 months in the name of security? How about 20 times per year using the alternative estimates? What about all those who receive less than a fatal case of cancer?
4. Is there a clear warning of the radiation exposure at the airport screenings?
References:
https://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2010/bts053_10/html/bts053_10.html
(passenger trips [enplanements] per year)
https://www.fda.gov/Radiation-EmittingProducts/RadiationEmittingProductsandProcedures/SecuritySystems/ucm231857.htm
(footnotes 8 and 11 as to risk of cancer)
https://www.hps.org/documents/securityscreening_ps017-1.pdf
(Subjects should be informed of the radiation exposure)
https://floydreports.com/skin-cancer-courtesy-of-the-tsa/
(risk may be 5 to 10 times higher)
Can’t wIt to see the airlines comes out with their quarterly earnings reports at the end of this quarter. It could be a blood bath for them.
What happened? I don’t see this protest making a bit of difference. The airports are just as crowded as ever as well. What a waste of time and money. Check your bags, take your seat and please just enjoy the holiday. Ohh and stay out of the first class bathroom…we don’t like to share.
Really? Maybe I missed it. I didn’t hear anything about big lines. I heard that 1 guy refused.. wow… Successful?
Good news for the resistance yesterday! However, let’s see what happens going forward. I will be flying Saturday (11/27) and will personally face scanners for the first time. I will report on how the TSA groping, I mean “pat down,” goes for me.
Knoxville’s too expensive to fly from anyway but the destination airports I’d be going to have the scanners- soooo ROAD TRIP!!!
question though- if they pick you and you opt out, then you’re supposed to get the pat-down- I understand that the point of this is to tie up the lines but what if you don’t want a pat-down either? at that point you’ve already paid for a ticket. Aside from standing outside to protest, I’d just avoid the airports altogether- when business drops, the airlines will cry foul to the TSA. I predict a rise in business for rental car agencies
I am a Drudge-reading, freedom-loving, conservative, patriotic American. I also remember that 3,000 of our fellow citizens were murdered by hijacked airplanes. Nearly 50 of these murdered Americans were from my hometown. And I am greatly disturbed by this group’s efforts to politicize airport screening. I am all for asserting one’s rights, but you have picked the worse possible battle. If the average TSA employee is on his back heel, unduly fearful of getting in trouble, being confronted, etc. they will do what all risk-adverse bureaucrats have always done – take the safe road, look the other way, not make the extra effort. And trust me, Al Qaeda is watching all of this closely, and praying for it to create new vulnerabilities, ways they can exploit our sensitivities, so they can kill more of us.
There are few things you can be doing that would be more helpful to these very real, very determined terrorists, than to create a reluctance on the part of TSA employees from doing their job.
How many terrorists have been caught by TSA efforts, Mark?
Instead of going easy on the feeble bureaucrats so they can continue this security theater, we’re going to get rid of them so we can get some real security that’s not so feeble.
The TSA has never caught a single terrorist. The TSA has never foiled a single terrorist plot. Tests succeed in getting weapons past them more than half the time.
The TSA is a failure.
Another protest:
December 1st, 2010
The day we stand up to the government and demand they keep their hands off our bodies is Wednesday, December 1st, 2010.
On this day we will:
1. Take a day off from work – unpaid, if necessary – YES, IT IS WORTH IT. Do not be fooled – your civil liberties are worth more than a day’s wage. Your children will look up to you for the stand you make for your and their freedoms. IT IS WORTH IT!
2. Be non-violent – it worked once for MLK, it can again for us.
3. Take your family/friends/co-workers and go to the nearest airport. Find a nice parking spot and ignore it – park in the road. Even better, park where the cops patrol (departures) and walk right by them. Don’t worry about your car getting towed – it would take days to tow all the cars that will be there. Don’t park in neat lines – make it difficult for anyone to remove vehicles.
4. Walk to the screening area and join the hundreds/thousands of other concerned Americans – tell the TSA in no uncertain terms that we will not allow them to view us naked or sexually molest us any longer.
5. You may want to take drinking water or some snacks. You may want to take signs that you can hold up to voice your displeasure (nothing that can be misconstrued as a weapon, though.) If the News Media take video or phots, show them that you are an ordinary American fed up with the TSA and their antics.
6. Be nice, but don’t move. And don’t let anyone through the line or the machines. You can display civil disobedience by laying down on the floor and blocking the machines/walkways.
7. Take cameras and camera phones – if you have any interaction with the TSA or Real Law Enforcement, be sure to videotape everything.
In public places there is no expectation of privacy and video-recording (with sound) is explicitly allowed by the Supreme Court.
https://www.shutdowntheairports.com/index.php
Another protest… the people making me miss my plane because they think they are standing up to the TSA.
Above #3 – Really just park in a neat line. Let me see..how the “success” was yesterday, let say you get 50 cars. Airports have let’s say 10 tow trucks, not the ones that they have to get out and hook everything up, they got the ones that they back up, press a button and it’s ready. I say 15 minutes your 50 cars are moved and the airport just made 50 x $200 a car… Good one! That showed them!
#6 – Be nice but don’t move. Hmmm. Let’s say you got 50 cars, 2 people in the car. That’s 100 people. Security at airport I don’t know 20 officers? Your little line is gone in 15 minutes. Now your probably gonna be on the NoFlyList and face a fine. Airport wins AGAIN.
Me, flying on that day.. On an airplane.. SAFE
Yes, there was a 30 mile long traffic jam outside of Boston.
https://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/25910285/detail.html
And the Newark Star-Ledger reports that the scanners were barely used at Newark. https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/newark_liberty_airport_controv.html
There’s a report from the Seattle airport at https://iwilloptout.org/2010/11/24/seatac-opt-out-goes-to-metal-detectors/
Congrats to everybody involved, seems like a huge success! Much more to do of course, but this is very encouraging!
Huge success. I don’t want to go through the scanners. Ok pat down. Is that a success. I think that’s your right.
I guess you like subsituting the word “failure” with the word “success.”
I guess you like ignoring facts.
I noticed how the snarky presstitutes on TV kept saying the optout had failed, but the airports were obviously not crowded behind them. It seemed almost the entire mainstream press was pulling for the Total Sexual Assaulters (TSA). At least we know who our enemies are.
…Success in that the story was carried in order to be mocked and to deflect from the real story that the Airports are relatively DEAD compared to years past.
Remember the movie “Planes, Trains, & Automobiles” which was all about how impossible air-travel on the day before Thanxgving??? That was the 80′s….. now we have less than 2 million people opting to fly as opposed to 98 million who chose to drive this holiday season.
And “Mark”…. Even you are good enough for an Ad Hominem.
Fliers Claim TSA Have Deactivated Body Scanners
https://gizmodo.com/5698536/fliers-claim-tsa-have-deactivated-body-scanners
https://gizmodo.com/comment/33032822
yesterday was a failure for this movement. it was manipulated by the media and those on our side interviewed were ill prepared for it and made to look foolish. i applaud george for being mostly on point and articulate with his CBS interview, although i do not know whether it even aired; if it didn’t then it does not matter at all how articulate he might be. yes the scanners were turned off in most places for one day, so that is a day where some children and adults weren’t molested by our government. tomorrow, next week they will be back.
You’re mistaken. The truth is circulating outside the mainstream media right now and eventually will percolate up.
We have little control over what the media does. Thus it is not our failure if they screw up.
You are entirely wrong about being ill-prepared. Jim Babb and I were on TV, radio and print media nonstop for like 10 days. We were exceedingly well-prepared. There were so many media opps I could barely keep up, much less blog, moderate comments, monitor social media and do everything else that needs to be done.
This is a new movement. We kicked butt over the last 2 weeks and we will continue doing so.
I respectfully disagree that Wednesday was not a failure if citizens were able to make an informed decision prior to having a body scan or pat down. We are not seeing the TSA stories of those travelers who are still on the road for the holidays but we do know that the scanners were used far less on Wednesday than say, last weekend.
The real effect, if there is to be one, will occur over several months when citizens decide not to fly if driving is an option. We will also see citizens take charge of how they are treated by the TSA. For example, require that the TSA employee change those bacteria and germ covered gloves in front of you before giving you a pat down. Require that your personal belongings are kept with you and not left on the conveyor belt out of your reach.
Just so everyone understands how critical this TSA resistance is to protecting our rights, consider something. Government’s position is that it’s so important to find potential terrorists that everyone who travels by commercial planes (and eventually everyone on subways, buses or trains) will have to be scanned.
Now imagine if a real crime such as rape is committed. How far does the mandatory scanning at airports take us to requiring that every male in a local metropolitan area must submit to a blood test to check DNA? In fact, make that every female and child too because their DNA might indicate a male relative. Impossible, you say?
What if ObamaCare bureaucrats decide that not only they can force you to buy the insurance that they say you need, but they can force you to provide tissue samples to help government fight disease, obesity, drug abuse, mental illness, etc.? This time you’ll have to submit to the next round of government pizza-box hires wearing blue shirts and blue gloves, except that this time they’ll also have needles, swabs and curettes. Does government knowing the contents of what’s in your blood, your tissues and your DNA make you feel any better?
The precedent of warrantless searches by TSA agents moves these unthinkable infringements closer. If our rights are to survive, then it will take more than a one-day opt-out. We have to be in this for the duration.
I see a few comments by rightwingnut “sheeple” that have sold their souls to corporate fat cats for a little illusory security.Wake up,jokers.Open you eyes!